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WB William Isabelle
12-28-2008, 11:43 AM
How many current celebrities that you know of are also Freemasons?
In years past Clark Gable, Roy Rogers and Laurel & Hardy would come to mind, but today there isn't much press about celebrities who disclose to membership in the fraternity.
Can you think of any?
Cheers,
William
Bro. Ray Dunn
12-28-2008, 12:36 PM
Seems like the list of current celebrity Masons is quite small small compared to the past. This is all I could come up with.
Borgnine, Ernest - Actor
Sellers, Peter - Actor
Clark, Roy - Country Western Star
Tillis, Mel - Country Singer
Paisley, Brad - Country Singer
Richards, Michaell - Actor
Conz, Brian - NASCAR Driver
Dole, Bob - Former U.S. Senator
Nunn, Sam - U.S. Senator
WB William Isabelle
12-28-2008, 12:56 PM
So Bro. Brad Paisley is really the only one currently in the public eye, in a good way? ;)
I believe he received his Scottish Rite Degrees at the House of the Temple in D.C. last year, conferred by the Grand Commander no less.
What about other musicians, outside of country music? Do we have Brethren in the Rock, Metal, Rap, R&P, Folk etc. genres anymore, or did we ever?
What about current politicians, congressmen, senators, govenors and the like? Has it become unadviseable to advertise one's Masonic membership if you are a public servant?
I know Nicholas Cage took a big interest in Albert Pike's writings while making the National Treasure movies, but did he follow through and become a member?
I heard somewhere that Kris Kristofferson is a Freemason, I wonder if that's true?
VWB Corby Christensen
12-28-2008, 01:44 PM
Bucky Henry from Gun Smoke and Tombstone fame. In the movie Tombstone he wore a Masonic S&C pendant around his neck. I don't know if the character he portrayed in the movie Turkey Creek Johnson was a Mason or not.
here is a link to a website that lists Famous Freemasons. http://www.masonicinfo.com/famous1.htm
S&F
C.
Bro. James Kinslow
12-28-2008, 02:08 PM
Brother Michael Richards, who plays Kramer on Seinfeld, is a mason. Check out the link for more info.
http://www.srmason-sj.org/council/journal/sep00/marsellos.html
Bro. Peter Taylor
12-28-2008, 03:10 PM
Very much a British entertainment Lodge but may be of interest:
http://www.chelsea-lodge.org.uk/
Bro. SP Nelson
12-28-2008, 03:49 PM
Bronson Pinchot, who played "Balki" on the 80's sitcom "Perfect Strangers" is a Mason, although I realize he's not much of a current celebrity. Also, if you are into fantasy novels, Robert Jordan (who, unfortunately has passed on) was a Mason as well. I only mention that one because as far as I can tell, it wasn't widely known...
Bro. Theo Jones
12-29-2008, 11:09 AM
Brother Michael Richards, who plays Kramer on Seinfeld, is a mason. Check out the link for more info.
http://www.srmason-sj.org/council/journal/sep00/marsellos.html
Michael Richards may have a dues card but he is no Mason. He forgot our lessons along the way.
WB Mike Smitson
12-29-2008, 11:46 AM
Michael Richards may have a dues card but he is no Mason. He forgot our lessons along the way.
I believe that he did not have a proper Mentor at the Blue Lodge.
He may have been widely reading all of our books, but he failed to apply their excellent tenets to his personal life traits. He failed at making his ashler square and smooth.
I agree my Brother...he has failed, both as a Mason and a human being.
WB Timothy W. Hogan
12-29-2008, 11:50 AM
I have heard that Leonardo Dicaprio is a brother. apparently he talks about it on some German interview he did, but I don't know the details.
Bro. Bill Arnold
12-29-2008, 11:57 AM
Bro. Timothy,
I believe he is not and Bro. Ed King has posted some information on the rumors / theories that have come up in the past: http://www.masonicinfo.com/famousnon.htm
S & F,
Bro. Theo Jones
12-29-2008, 11:57 AM
I have heard that Leonardo Dicaprio is a brother. apparently he talks about it on some German interview he did, but I don't know the details.
I have heard this as well, especially the part about the interview in Deutchland. I tend to not believe that someone famous is a brother unless their lodge name and number is known. Similar to our investigations here on TSS. :)
Bro. Gerry Kendle
12-29-2008, 12:02 PM
How about our elected officials? How many brothers are in Congress?
Bro. Bill Arnold
12-29-2008, 12:15 PM
I have found that politicians seem to be more tight lipped as to what organizations they belong to. I did find this however it is from an out dated post circa 2000-2002 and some may still be congressmen, at least for the next 2 weeks. http://www.c-span.org/questions/weekly65.asp
Bro. James Kinslow
12-29-2008, 01:37 PM
Yeah, I forgot about Michael Richards anti-masonic public "comic" performance.
Definitely unbecoming of a mason, to say the least. I do believe he has publicly apologized. I am sure he has made some good contributions to society. Are his comments unforgiveble?
Bro. Bill Arnold
12-29-2008, 01:50 PM
Bro. James,
Michael Richards "apology" was disingenuous at best. I would definitely say un-masonic behavior during and after.
S & F,
Bro. Theo Jones
12-29-2008, 02:24 PM
Yeah, I forgot about Michael Richards anti-masonic public "comic" performance.
Definitely unbecoming of a mason, to say the least. I do believe he has publicly apologized. I am sure he has made some good contributions to society. Are his comments unforgiveble?
Unforgivable? Maybe, Unforgetable? No. The fact that he is a known Mason makes it hard to forgive as whenever we are known as members of our fraternity, have Masonic license plates or wear a S&C on our lapel, we are responsible for our actions not just for ourselves but for the entire Craft. I agree with Bro. Bill, I did not think that his apology was sincere.
Bro. James Kinslow
12-29-2008, 08:29 PM
Congressman Paul Gillmor from Ohio is a Mason. He, along with The House of Representatives, submitted House Resolution 33 in 2007. HR 33 honors masons and is very accurate in it's wording. So, not only are members of Congress Masons, Congress has recently officially recongized Masons in a very positive light. ( I bet the conspiracy theorist are going nuts over the HR # !!)
Check out the resolution here: http://www.scottishrite.org/ee.php?/scottishrite/internal/house_resolution_33/
WB Rick Carver
12-29-2008, 08:43 PM
Gary Burghoff is a Mason and became a semi-regular at our Lodge while he was in town doing a play at the New Dinner Theater. He parked his huge motorhome in a RV park about 2 blocks from the Lodge and walked down one Tuesday evening and found we were meeting that night. The dinner theater was closed on Monday and Tuesdays so he was without any evening obligations, and he attended pretty regularly for the several months he was in town.
Gary is a very reserved and shy Brother, not unlike his character in MASH. He hated it if anyone made a fuss over him, and just liked to be "another Brother" with no special to-do's expected.
WB Walter Cook
12-29-2008, 10:09 PM
Governor Patterson of NY is a member of Boyer Lodge #1 MWPHGL of NY. He was sworn into office on the George Washington Bible courtesy of St. John's #1 and the Grand Lodge of NY.
Bro. Dave Mavity
12-30-2008, 12:52 AM
I hear that Aaron Smith is a Mason. Crazy? Yeah. But life is weird.
Bro. Greg McNeill
12-30-2008, 01:53 AM
NFL Great John Elway is a Brother too.
WB James Freed
12-30-2008, 02:09 AM
NFL Great John Elway is a Brother too.
Yeah, but he was raised in one of those accelerated programs... :unsure:
Bro. A.T.Smith
12-30-2008, 07:24 AM
I hear that Aaron Smith is a Mason. Crazy? Yeah. But life is weird.
That's both hear-say and heresy. A ridiculous notion to say the least!
Bro. James Kinslow
12-30-2008, 10:26 AM
Arnold Palmer is a Mason.
Bro. Theo Jones
12-30-2008, 10:44 AM
NFL Great John Elway is a Brother too.
Yeah he was raised in a one day class, is a dues paying member of Denver #5 but I have not heard and doubt that he is active. What made me sad when I heard that he had been made a member of our fraternity, is that as a Mason, I should not be saying any disparaging remarks about him. Very sad.
Bro. James Kinslow
12-30-2008, 10:56 AM
I reported on this forum that Rep. Paul Gillmor is a famous Mason and introduced HR 33 in 2007. Regrettably, I recently discovered Brother Gillmor passed away on Sept. 5th 2007.
Bro. Jason Lloyd
12-30-2008, 12:31 PM
Yeah he was raised in a one day class, is a dues paying member of Denver #5 but I have not heard and doubt that he is active. What made me sad when I heard that he had been made a member of our fraternity, is that as a Mason, I should not be saying any disparaging remarks about him. Very sad.
it's okay to say that one of our Brethren sucks on some Sundays.
:rolf:
Bro. Bill Arnold
12-30-2008, 12:49 PM
it's okay to say that one of our Brethren sucks on some Sundays.
:rolf:
As long as you do it quietly..LOL
S & F,
WB James Freed
12-30-2008, 01:26 PM
Care should be taken when throwing around epithets such as that.
I second this. I have no affiliation with any of the people we're talking about, but with comments in this thread already pointing out the fallacies of 'nutjob conspiracy theorists', comments like the one about the singer that are obviously mis-informed or simply confused drastically reduce the validity of anything the poster might want to share.
WB Mike Smitson
12-30-2008, 05:55 PM
How about our elected officials? How many brothers are in Congress?
Here is the complete list for the 106th Congress:
Arizona Rep. J.D. Hayworth, Jr. (R)
California Rep. Bill Thomas (R)
Florida Rep. Michael Bilirakis (R)
Illinois Rep. John Porter (R)
Indiana Rep. Dan Burton (R)
Rep. Stephen Buyer (R)
Iowa Senator Charles Grassley (R)
Louisiana Rep. Richard Baker (R)
Michigan Rep. Nick Smith (R)
Mississippi Senator Trent Lott (R)
Missouri Rep. Ike Skelton (D)
Montana Senator Conrad Burns (R)
Nevada Senator Richard Bryan (D)
New Hampshire Rep. Charles Bass (R)
New York Rep. Benjamin Gilman (R)
Senator Charles Schumer (D)
North Carolina Senator Jesse Helms (R)
Rep. Howard Coble (R)
Ohio Rep. Paul Gillmor (R)
Rep. David Hobson (R)
Pennsylvania Rep. Bud Shuster (R)
South Carolina Senator Ernest Hollings (D)
Senator Strom Thurmond (R)
Tennessee Rep. John Tanner (D)
Rep. John Duncan, Jr. (R)
Texas Rep. Ralph Hall (D)
Virginia Rep. Owen Pickett (D)
Washington Rep. George Nethercutt (R)
West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd (D)
Rep. Nick Rahall (D)
Wisconsin Rep. Thomas Petri (R)
Wyoming Senator Michael Enzi (R)
Senator Craig Thomas (R)
Bro. JC Walker
12-30-2008, 08:24 PM
So who's our next Celebrity Mason?
Bro. James Kinslow
12-31-2008, 09:44 AM
Are there any Masons in the Scientific world these days? John Glen , Buzz Aldrin, Flemming (penicillin), and Jenner (small pox vac.), were all Masons. What about now?
I heard Tony Blair is a Mason, does anyone know?
Bro. Peter Taylor
12-31-2008, 10:28 AM
I heard Tony Blair is a Mason, does anyone know?
As far as I know he is not a Freemason and the only folk that believe he is, are the conspiracy theorists.
Bro. Jason Lloyd
01-02-2009, 09:06 AM
As far as I know he is not a Freemason and the only folk that believe he is, are the conspiracy theorists.
Mr. Blair has recently converted to Catholicism. Freemasonry may have been a barrier to this happening.
Bro. Peter Taylor
01-02-2009, 09:20 AM
Mr. Blair has recently converted to Catholicism. Freemasonry may have been a barrier to this happening.
Well as far as I can ascertain he isn't a Mason.... none of my UGLE contacts can confirm it anyway.... and there are some that should know!
Bro. Matt Nolker
01-03-2009, 08:19 AM
Guy Fieri, of the Food Network, is a mason. I have seen his ring up close several times during his different shows.
Bro. Russell Cram
01-03-2009, 11:39 AM
Guy Fieri, of the Food Network, is a mason. I have seen his ring up close several times during his different shows.
With all due respect Brother, I don't think so, the rings he wears are initials on his right, and a swirl with 2 small inset diamonds on the left. If you get a better closeup than on the food network and their closeup shots of his hands, post the link. I like this guy, don't get me wrong. And how he can eat all he does on the show and not be 500 pounds is, well.... WOW :eek:
CanuckMason
01-03-2009, 02:00 PM
With all due respect Brother, I don't think so, the rings he wears are initials on his right, and a swirl with 2 small inset diamonds on the left. If you get a better closeup than on the food network and their closeup shots of his hands, post the link. I like this guy, don't get me wrong. And how he can eat all he does on the show and not be 500 pounds is, well.... WOW :eek:
Bro. Cram, I believe you are correct. He used to wear a ring that I certainly thought had a S&C the first few times I saw it, but have since seen some more closeup shots that revealed it to be a solo stone. Granted, I don't get the Food Network in High-definition up here in Canada, so maybe it's just my TV. :)
Bro. Matt Nolker
01-03-2009, 11:49 PM
Bro. Cram, you may be correct. I am only reporting what I have been able to see myself. I was unsure for quite some time, but on an episode of Guy's Big Bite before Christmas, I distinctly saw a S&C with a diamond on a black background when they were doing a shot of him cutting up some ingredients. I even had my wife double check it when they showed him cutting something else up during that episode. I had never seen them come in that tight for a chopping shot, before or since. I may still be incorrect, but I guess the only way we will know is if someone can verify it for us.
Bro. Russell Cram
01-04-2009, 06:27 AM
Wow, that would be cool!!! Maybe we could get him to sign up at TSS and moderate the Kitchen?:notworthy: I wonder if they would make him go straight to JW??:eek:
Bro. JC Walker
01-04-2009, 08:27 AM
I wonder if they would make him go straight to JW??:eek:
Nope... permanent SS. :cool:
WB Mike Smitson
01-04-2009, 11:07 AM
Nope... permanent SS. :cool:
Yes!
Fly on the wall:
Welcome to our lodge. On vote of the brethren, it has been decided that your position in our lodge will be one of great significance to the Lodge. You will be the permenanent Senior Steward and will now be installed as such.
Wow...now that would be a great lodge to visit.
Bro. JC Walker
01-04-2009, 06:05 PM
Actually, he was given SS last year, but he has no desire to go through the chairs. So this year at Installation he was given an embroidered chef's apron, with a Square & Compasses, his name, and "chef du quisine" on it.
He is becoming known throughout the northern part of the state, and we seem to get more visitors these days...
My apologies, I was speaking of our chef. Wrong thread.
I shoulda taken a right turn at Alburquerque...
WB Timothy W. Hogan
01-04-2009, 06:48 PM
Guy Fieri, of the Food Network, is a mason. I have seen his ring up close several times during his different shows.
That is why I saw an episode in which he (for no reason) talked about how the skull and crossbones was an early Knight Templar symbol!!! I think it was his Halloween show! I was wondering why he brought that up on a food show!
Bro. Russell Cram
01-04-2009, 07:21 PM
Bro. Walker, are you confirming he is??? Boo Yah!!!
Bro. JC Walker
01-04-2009, 07:58 PM
Bro. Walker, are you confirming he is??? Boo Yah!!!
No Brother, I was posting faster than I was thinking. My apologies.
Bro. Russell Cram
01-04-2009, 08:23 PM
Aaaawwwwwwwwwww shucks.....
Bro. Kendall Jewell
01-05-2009, 05:38 AM
I have found that politicians seem to be more tight lipped as to what organizations they belong to. I did find this however it is from an out dated post circa 2000-2002 and some may still be congressmen, at least for the next 2 weeks. http://www.c-span.org/questions/weekly65.asp
each year here in tennessee the state legislature puts out a blue book off all the elected and appointed public officials and information about the state and i find many of the representatives and state senators list their masonic affialiation, which at last count in both the house and senate on the state level their are 45 out of i believe 200 or so, good number so.
Bro. Dave Mavity
01-06-2009, 01:53 PM
I'm always distracted by that dam*ed ring. His hands move too fast, and I can never get a good look, but so far, it just looks like a diamond on onyx. I haven't been able to discern a S&C.
Bro. Bill Arnold
01-07-2009, 02:42 PM
I believe Rip Torn is also a Brother. If memory serves me right he was raised in 2005.
S & F,
Bro. Steve
01-14-2009, 12:49 PM
How many current celebrities that you know of are also Freemasons?
In years past Clark Gable, Roy Rogers and Laurel & Hardy would come to mind, but today there isn't much press about celebrities who disclose to membership in the fraternity.
Can you think of any?
Cheers,
William
Some of the Brothers and I were talking about this after watching "Sons of the Desert" with Laurel and Hardy. Oliver Hardy was, but I do not believe that Stan Laurel was. "Sons" is interesting because of the Shriner-like organization involved in the movie. Another was the short "Helpmates". At the end of the story Hardy's suits are all burned and he has to pick up his wife at the station. The only thing left for him to wear is his Lodge uniform - which bears striking resemblance to the KT dress unform - plumed hat, sword and all.
~Steve
Seth Tipps
06-18-2009, 08:11 PM
Eric L. Haney (author of inside delta force and eight-year member of the unit) did a cameo in his television show "The Unit" as a recruiting sergeant. He is either wearing a Scottish Rite ring, or an army ring. Can anyone confirm? Even if not a Mason, the show he has created is infused with the Masonic ideals of Brotherhood and duty to God and Country, and spends a good deal of time exploring the grey area that forms around these in extreme situations.
Maybe we don't have as many masons in Hollywood these days, but those around in the old days seem to have left a permanent impression.
Bro. Bob Hunter
06-18-2009, 10:19 PM
I believe Rip Torn is also a Brother. If memory serves me right he was raised in 2005.
S & F,He is. As a matter of fact, a friend and brother, Todd Tufts was one of the brethren to recommend him. He was raised in Eastern New York if memory serves me correctly.
Bruce Rux
06-19-2009, 11:22 AM
How many current celebrities that you know of are also Freemasons?
In years past Clark Gable, Roy Rogers and Laurel & Hardy would come to mind, but today there isn't much press about celebrities who disclose to membership in the fraternity.
Can you think of any?
Cheers,
William
Funny, you should bring up Clark Gable.
My dad was raised a Mason, after the war. He was a "mustanger" in the Army Air Corps/Air Force - joined a buck private, went out a Lieutenant Colonel - and during WWII he was an officer trainer. I figured out from his record and his resume, years after his death (confirmed by people who worked with him at a later date), that he was in Intelligence.
Dad had all kinds of stories to tell about Clark Gable, who he got to be good friends with when Gable was in his trainee class. Gable had suddenly enlisted for the war, in deep grief over Carole Lombard's death. Hollywood didn't want to lose him, for obvious reasons, and the behind-the-scenes decision was that if Gable needed to lose himself for a while, fine, the US government would do its best to let him play the local hero. But they sure weren't going to put him anywhere really hazardous. Dad was actually told all this, when Gable was stuck in his class. As far as the military was concerned, Gable needed to be convinced he was really something of a hero - he couldn't know he was being chaperoned - and certainly it wouldn't hurt his PR, either. But the central concern was restoring Gable's confidence and will to live.
So, dad got to know him, figure him out, make sure the Army put him someplace that Gable would honestly feel he was being a conscientious American hero without really noticing that he was being shepherded through until he regained himself and got back to making pictures. In a sense, Gable was his assignment, though he was hardly the only person working on keeping the man safe and helping him restore his wounded psyche.
But, whether it was an "assignment" or not, dad actually liked Gable, personally, a lot, and apparently the feeling was mutual. They hung out some during the training period, shared drinks, swapped stories. Dad always spoke well of him. He didn't have many stories to tell, but the ones he did were very warm recollections.
I didn't know Gable was a Mason. I didn't know my dad was either, until decades after his death. I found dad's Masonic Bible, with all the registered degree dates, and he didn't become a Mason until well after the war. So, I don't know exactly what connection there might have been between dad's having known Gable and his later becoming a Mason - if there was any at all - but I do find it quite interesting just under what conditions they met, and that they were both in the Fraternity.
Just thought I'd share.
Bro. Derek
06-23-2009, 11:59 AM
cool story, Bro. Bruce
Bro. JC Walker
06-24-2009, 09:22 AM
Eric L. Haney (author of inside delta force and eight-year member of the unit) did a cameo in his television show "The Unit" as a recruiting sergeant. He is either wearing a Scottish Rite ring, or an army ring. Can anyone confirm? Even if not a Mason, the show he has created is infused with the Masonic ideals of Brotherhood and duty to God and Country, and spends a good deal of time exploring the grey area that forms around these in extreme situations.
Maybe we don't have as many masons in Hollywood these days, but those around in the old days seem to have left a permanent impression.
He also wrote 66 episodes of the show...
Grand River
06-24-2009, 03:10 PM
M. Wor. Bro. Alexander Keith. Founder of the Keith's brewery! One of the biggest names in beer in Canada! I have hear that a portriat of the founder still resides in the CEO's office with Bro. Alexander in his full regalia!
Bro. Todd Melcher
06-24-2009, 03:51 PM
From what I understand, He was taking a lot of harrassment during his performance that night and since I was not there I will refrain from passing judgment on the Brother. To do so, would be quite unmasonic.
Unforgivable? Maybe, Unforgetable? No. The fact that he is a known Mason makes it hard to forgive as whenever we are known as members of our fraternity, have Masonic license plates or wear a S&C on our lapel, we are responsible for our actions not just for ourselves but for the entire Craft. I agree with Bro. Bill, I did not think that his apology was sincere.
Bro. Theo Jones
06-24-2009, 05:06 PM
From what I understand, He was taking a lot of harrassment during his performance that night and since I was not there I will refrain from passing judgment on the Brother. To do so, would be quite unmasonic.
Bro. Todd,
Are you calling me un-Masonic for questioning a Brother Mason for using a derogatory remark against somebody's race, regardless of the situation?! Please tell me what type of situation is it acceptable for a Brother Mason to use a racist epithet?
Bro. Todd Melcher
06-25-2009, 03:21 PM
I am saying it is unmasonic to pass judgment on a brother without being there or knowing the whole story. I'm saying, that I am not about to pass judgment on him. Perhaps he was not refering to the persons race but his actions as an individual.Bro. Todd,
Are you calling me un-Masonic for questioning a Brother Mason for using a derogatory remark against somebody's race, regardless of the situation?! Please tell me what type of situation is it acceptable for a Brother Mason to use a racist epithet?
Perhaps semi-famous, yet b-movie actors Tor Johnson and Mantan Moreland are two of my favorites.
Bro. Jason Lloyd
06-25-2009, 03:42 PM
I am saying it is unmasonic to pass judgment on a brother without being there or knowing the whole story. I'm saying, that I am not about to pass judgment on him. Perhaps he was not refering to the persons race but his actions as an individual.
I agree.
There was more to the story. The press just reported the parts of it that would sell newspapers (not unlike our discussion in the Iran thread). It was reported by spectators afterwards that Bro. Richards was responding to hecklers. Not sure about anyone else here, but stand-up comedians give their most bile-filled, coarse material to hecklers. Doesn't mean they believe in what they said. But they say it to shut up the heckler(s)
We should ensure that we do not confuse Bro. Richards' professional conduct with that of his personal beliefs.
I would hazard a guess that the majority of Brethren in the craft today do things in their job that do not follow Masonic "law" to the letter.
Bro. Theo Jones
06-25-2009, 06:41 PM
Unforgivable? Maybe, Unforgetable? No. The fact that he is a known Mason makes it hard to forgive as whenever we are known as members of our fraternity, have Masonic license plates or wear a S&C on our lapel, we are responsible for our actions not just for ourselves but for the entire Craft. I agree with Bro. Bill, I did not think that his apology was sincere.
Brethren,
This is what I stated and I still feel the same way. Am I wrong for feeling this way? As Masons, we should hold each other to higher standards, especially while we represent our Fraternity, period! Because Michael Richards was public about his affiliations with our Fraternity and his affliations were public about him (especially the Scottish Rite), his actions represent Freemasonry as a whole. The reason I stated that his actions might not be unforgiveable, is that we are all imperfect beings and fall short at times. Does that make him using a racial epithet acceptable?! Is judging his use of a racial slur, as a reflection of the Craft, me being un-Masonic or is it un-Masonic for him to use the racial slur in the first place? So when I drive home tonight with my Masonic license plates and as I grow frustrated, as no one in Denver knows how to drive in the rain, is it acceptable if I give every car I pass the middle finger? Am I being a good reflection of our Fraternity?! It does not matter whether he personally believes what he said, it does not change the fact that he said it! Dealing with Hecklers is part of a Comedians job, does that make it acceptable to use one of the most hateful words in the English language? Do not justify his actions by stating that depending on the situation or the harrasment he was taking makes it alright. If I stood on that same stage and made the same type of epithets about Michael Richards being Jewish, I would be branded anti-Semetic and if I did so as a known Freemason, Freemasonry would be branded anti-Semetic. Would I be judged? Absolutely! Is it fair to the Man or the Fraternity? Probably not. Is that un-Masonic or human nature? Again, please tell me what type of situation is it acceptable for a Brother Mason to use a racist epithet?
Bro. Jason Lloyd
06-25-2009, 08:16 PM
Bro. Theo, I do not agree withthe words he used. They were quite hurtful and definitely unMasonic.
But as was said, we shouldn't pass complete judgement until we know the whole story. Every Mason is allowed a trial before his Brethren to answer to charges of misconduct.
Bro. John Cummings
06-25-2009, 08:55 PM
But as was said, we shouldn't pass complete judgement until we know the whole story.
Im going to have to go with Bro. Theo on this. This whole, lets not pass complete judgement, give someone a chance for their side of the story... thats partially whats wrong with our society today. Sometime in life there is right and wrong... its just that simple.
What Richards said and did was wrong... period. Why do we coddle people and make excuses for them when they are wrong by the standards of our Fraternity or even as a society. We CAN and MUST pass a judgement saying "YOU Brother... YOU were wrong and it is not a good behavior to represent our Fraternity!"
Now this is not saying we should not forgive. We should as a Fraternity and Society judge, punish and than forgive... but only if forgiveness is deserved. That is the gray area...
None of us are perfect but we all MUST be fully responsible for our own actions, if we can not do it as individuals what hope is there for us humans as a whole?
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B. Josh Anton
09-04-2009, 11:52 AM
Is Jay-Z a brother? I am hearing more and more about this.
Bro. Douglas Strinz
04-13-2010, 06:22 PM
Speaking of famous masons, but actually is a politician, is current governor of New York, David Patterson:
http://freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-ny-governor-david-paterson.html
Bro. David G. Cassidy
04-13-2010, 06:52 PM
As far as I know he is not a Freemason and the only folk that believe he is, are the conspiracy theorists.
Well as far as I can ascertain he isn't a Mason.... none of my UGLE contacts can confirm it anyway.... and there are some that should know!
Until very recently, wasn't it the law in GB that all members of Parliament had to publicly profess any connection with Freemasonry?
I don't believe Blair ever made such a pronouncement.
Bro. Nate Fall
04-13-2010, 08:07 PM
I heard somewhere that Kris Kristofferson is a Freemason, I wonder if that's true?
I do remember hearing this same thing...I believe he is..
I know Rev. Al Sharpton, and Rev. Jesse Jackson are both Prince Hall Brethren...
Also....Sadly...Michael Jackson's doctor Conrad Murray is a Mason...Not likely to remain so if charges move forward...:eek:
WB Dan Ellnor
04-13-2010, 08:56 PM
conrad is a member of bogus masonry. not PHA or PHO
Bro. Nate Fall
04-13-2010, 08:57 PM
Ah! Glad we cleared that up....I just saw the pic with him in a GL collar...WHEW!
Bro. Jason Lloyd
04-14-2010, 07:42 AM
Until very recently, wasn't it the law in GB that all members of Parliament had to publicly profess any connection with Freemasonry?
I don't believe Blair ever made such a pronouncement.
Blair also recently converted to Catholicism. He would have had to renounce any membership for that to happen.
Bruce D Burton
04-14-2010, 08:23 AM
Brother Sam Hornish Jr won the 2006 Indy 500 by 6/100ths of a second!
now in NASCAR #77
richardn
04-14-2010, 12:12 PM
"Grand Medical Director"
Also....Sadly...Michael Jackson's doctor Conrad Murray is a Mason...Not likely to remain so if charges move forward...:eek:Dr Murray is not a member of a regular jurisdiction, such as Prince Hall.
Close examination of a photo showing Dr Murray wearing a Masonic chain reveals that it is the chain of office of a "Grand Medical Director" of the "United Most Worshipful Scottish Rite Grand Lodge of Texas, A.F.& A.M." (apparently formerly called National King Solomon Grand Lodge AF&AM of the USA, Inc.)
http://www.thesanctumsanctorum.com/board/picture.php?albumid=60&pictureid=865
Bruce Rux
04-14-2010, 04:47 PM
Brother Sam Hornish Jr won the 2006 Indy 500 by 6/100ths of a second!
now in NASCAR #77
Dude! How cool is it to win a high-speed race by 6/100ths of a second? You go, Brother Sam!
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