Dateline NBC Episode w/Cliff,Rob,Tim&Shawn

[WB Robert Herd]

We just wrapped up being interviewed by Dateline NBC in regards to Freemasonry and Dan Browns book "The Lost Symbol". They are doing and exclusive feature interview with Dan Brown and we were selected to interview with them as part of supplemental or backup information on such topics as the Chamber of Reflection that we use in Enlightenment Lodge 198, and the parallels of Alchemy, Hermetic philosophy, and our own personal beliefs on the real "secrets" in masonry...photos to follow, we have some on our facebook pages now but are working on some more...The Dateline NBC episode will air Friday October 16th.

R~

[Bro. Jim Hinkley]

You guys are the bomb diggity!

[psunavy03]

Rock on. Hopefully, the editors will treat you well.

[Bro. Lucas J]

Congrats guys, I'm excitingly awaiting the show!

[WB Robert Herd]

We have a pretty good feeling that this will be shown as a really positive piece about Freemasonry since they are doing a very positive piece on Dan Brown...Jerry Springer didn't jump out and attack us, and the interviewer didn't ask really any prying questions really at all and asked very open questions so that we were not giving defensive answers at all but were able to just tell our story...in a very positive, educational and energetic way.

[Bro. Nate Fall]

Did they tell you guys when it would air? I gotta see this!

[Bro. JC Walker]

Did they tell you guys when it would air? I gotta see this!
First post, Brother Nate...

[Bro. Nate Fall]

Dang...out of town that week....:( I'll have to TIVO it...

[Bro. Greg Starr]

Very cool! I hope they give Enlightenment a fair presentation. What is the link for your Facebook page? :D

[WB Robert Herd]

Here's the pics I have..sorry most are just crummy cell phone snaps...I think Cliff has some more to share too...


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[Bro. Greg Starr]

Great setting...is that in the GL bldg? You had a good crew there....what kind of questions did the interviewer ask?

[PriestClass]

For once, I actually feel good about who is being interviewed & representing Freemasonry in America. Great job. I'm proud to point others to this. Is there a url for this episode?

[WB Matt Hughes]

That is actually at the Colorado Springs Masonic Temple... in our "Egyptian Room" (you can tell why it has the name). 3 Lodges (possibly soon to be 4) meet there. =)

[Bro. Greg Starr]

Very nice indeed. :yes:

[ReeD]

That is so freaking sweet!

[Bro. Theo Jones]

For once, I actually feel good about who is being interviewed & representing Freemasonry in America. Great job. I'm proud to point others to this. Is there a url for this episode?

Agreed! I am also proud of who was asked/selected to represent our Fraternity and my second home, Enlightenment #198.

[Bro. Peter Taylor]

Fantastic job Brethren! A job well done! You guys are certainly earning your wages!

[John Dodge Miles]

I'm excited about it and proud of our association. Great job.

[Frater Cliff Porter]

Just to have a little fun with the editors....who I am sure are some guys in NY....when I found out Tim was mic'd up awaiting some shooting of his alchemy presentation...I walked up to another Brother nearby and whisper...."Man I am glad they didn't find out about the Grail....we really dodged a bullet...and the whole Mary Magdalena thing...if the truth ever came out."

Then we both couldn't help it and started laughing...but for just a second someone will get a bit of a shock.

[Bro. JC Walker]

Cliff... you are a bad, bad man.
Love it!

[Bro. Greg Starr]

Just to have a little fun with the editors....who I am sure are some guys in NY....when I found out Tim was mic'd up awaiting some shooting of his alchemy presentation...I walked up to another Brother nearby and whisper...."Man I am glad they didn't find out about the Grail....we really dodged a bullet...and the whole Mary Magdalena thing...if the truth ever came out."

Then we both couldn't help it and started laughing...but for just a second someone will get a bit of a shock.
:notworthy: :rolf:

Where are Cronkite and Murrow when you need them?

[Bro. Todd Melcher]

I can not think of a better group of Brothers to do that interview. For once there will be an honest frank presentation of Freemasonry. Of course however, there may be some young ambitious editor that hears Bro. Cliff's grail/magdaline comments and runs with it.:rolf:Sadie bar the door we are found out!!:eek:
Now we are going to have to move the Grail again.:templar:

[Bro. Peter Taylor]

Just to have a little fun with the editors....who I am sure are some guys in NY....when I found out Tim was mic'd up awaiting some shooting of his alchemy presentation...I walked up to another Brother nearby and whisper...."Man I am glad they didn't find out about the Grail....we really dodged a bullet...and the whole Mary Magdalena thing...if the truth ever came out."

Then we both couldn't help it and started laughing...but for just a second someone will get a bit of a shock.

I hope you mentioned the Rosslyn Chapel connection? :kilt:

:brolf:

[Bruce Rux]

Not to worry. They didn't spill the beans about the alien hybrid hatchery beneath Denver International Airport.

[WB Robert Herd]

I did i did!


i hope you mentioned the rosslyn chapel connection? :kilt:

:brolf:

[PriestClass]

Just to have a little fun with the editors....who I am sure are some guys in NY....when I found out Tim was mic'd up awaiting some shooting of his alchemy presentation...I walked up to another Brother nearby and whisper...."Man I am glad they didn't find out about the Grail....we really dodged a bullet...and the whole Mary Magdalena thing...if the truth ever came out."

Then we both couldn't help it and started laughing...but for just a second someone will get a bit of a shock.

Cliff,

I love it.

~David

[PriestClass]

I'd like to set my DVR to record. Let us know when it airs.

[WB Timothy W. Hogan]

It was definitely an interesting experience, and I hope we were able to provide some different perspective to what Freemasonry has to offer and why it is relevant for our times. I can absolutely state that everyone spoke from the heart and tried to emphasize the mystery that makes us unique from regular social clubs. I'm certain we were able to provide some great visual imagery that will peak interest. We also tried to make it clear that Freemasonry has many different things to offer many different people, and some Masons are drawn to it more for the education and the personal transmutation that comes from growth within the system. We also tried to have a little fun with them. The father and the uncle of the interviewer are brother Masons, so I'm sure that will help contribute to a fair reporting. Anyhow, thanks for the support brothers! It will be a two hour special on Friday, October 16th, 2009.

[psunavy03]

Now we are going to have to move the Grail again.:templar:
Crap. Where to now? Stonehenge is out; way too obvious. Petra would have been great before George Lucas and Steven Spielberg screwed it all up. "Canyon of the Crescent Moon," my foot.

Don't tell me it's gotta go to Alpha Centauri now; you KNOW how the lizardmen like to haggle over shipping costs. :run:

[Bro. Greg Starr]

Don't tell me it's gotta go to Alpha Centauri now; you KNOW how the lizardmen like to haggle over shipping costs. :run:

Do we need to move anything else? Spear of Destiny, Hatshepsut's mummy, Ark of the Covenant? Maybe the lizardmen give a discount for shipping bulk......and you can save if you print your label online!

;)

[Bro. JC Walker]

Where to now? Stonehenge is out; way too obvious. Petra would have been great before George Lucas and Steven Spielberg screwed it all up. "Canyon of the Crescent Moon," my foot.

Don't tell me it's gotta go to Alpha Centauri now; you KNOW how the lizardmen like to haggle over shipping costs. :run:
I think I can get us a deal in Roswell...
no one would think of looking inside the UFO on top of McDonald's.

[Bruce Rux]

Do we need to move anything else? Spear of Destiny, Hatshepsut's mummy, Ark of the Covenant? Maybe the lizardmen give a discount for shipping bulk......and you can save if you print your label online!

;)
Hatshepsut's mummy was cursed. She's at the bottom of the ocean, now. Her last voyage was on the Titanic.

[Bro. Greg Starr]

I think I can get us a deal in Roswell...
no one would think of looking inside the UFO on top of McDonald's.
:rolf:

[Bro. Greg Starr]

Hatshepsut's mummy was cursed. She's at the bottom of the ocean, now. Her last voyage was on the Titanic.
I knew the movie was hiding things! :rolf:

[Bro. JC Walker]

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[Frater Cliff Porter]

I had a horrible nightmare last night about the Dateline thing going bad. I think it is just that I worry so much about our Craft getting the 'honest' shake. You know, I would prefer a world where we were truly secret....but in a world where we are not totally secret....I got tired of the same ol' "Hey we have no secrets, you can google us, please pick up petition."

[Bruce Rux]

I think I pulled a petition out of the bottom of a box of Cracker Jacks, once.

I wouldn't worry. It'll go well.

[Bro. Joseph Evans]

Sounds like it was fun for you guys. I feel good about this one.
Congrats and I'll sure be on the lookout for it. Definitely!

Awesome set up at lodge too. Very cool!

[psunavy03]

I had a horrible nightmare last night about the Dateline thing going bad. I think it is just that I worry so much about our Craft getting the 'honest' shake. You know, I would prefer a world where we were truly secret....but in a world where we are not totally secret....I got tired of the same ol' "Hey we have no secrets, you can google us, please pick up petition."
I don't blame you; the media has a habit of editing for the story they're going to tell, as we've discussed here before. Top that off with the fact that it's YOUR name attached to part of it, which you rightfully value. I guess it comes down to trust . . .

[Bro. Greg Starr]

I had a horrible nightmare last night about the Dateline thing going bad. I think it is just that I worry so much about our Craft getting the 'honest' shake. You know, I would prefer a world where we were truly secret....but in a world where we are not totally secret....I got tired of the same ol' "Hey we have no secrets, you can google us, please pick up petition."

I am sure that all those who presented information for this show did so with honest, true, and noble intentions. We all know that regardless of the content, those who support us will continue to do so, those who condemn us will continue to do so, which leaves those who are undecided. If the show does not present us in a fair light, perhaps rebuttals could be authored and placed on the Lodge website and in various sites on the web which would be subject to Google-ing, etc. In this way, any viewers who are interested would be able to search the web for specific response. Given the manner in which we are treated in Mr. Brown's book, it would seem odd for them to take a contrary view, versus presenting information which is in keeping with the theme of the novel (regardless of the copious errors).

I hope Brother Cliff, Rob, Tim, and Shawn - as well as the Craft as a whole - are rewarded with a fair, thoughtful, and clear presentation. I also think that it may serve as a wake up call to the "apologists."

Well done Brothers - I can't wait to see it. :D

[Bro. James Kinslow]

Brother Cliff listen,

We all know your capible of handling yourself and a man of integrity. It will be fine as long as you didn't shapeshift on camera. . . .cliff. . . . CLIFF tell me you didn't morph on camera!!!! :cz:

[Bro. SP Nelson]

Congratulations Brethren! I am sure you comported yourselves well and reflected honorably upon our Fraternity. My only regret is that I have no way to watch this, being stuck at a small combat outpost in Afghanistan! Oh well, maybe I can get someone back home to DVR it for me so I can watch it when I am on leave in November.

[Br RJ Gleason]

Should be able to stream it after it airs.

[Bro. JC Walker]

I was thinking the same thing; if you can post here...

[WB Timothy W. Hogan]

Here is a link to a commercial for the episode:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/<WBR>33309733#33309733 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msnbc.msn.com%2Fid%2F2113 4540%2Fvp%2F33309733%2333309733&h=)

[Bro. Todd Melcher]

I plan to be glued to the tv for this episode. I will log in to the TSS chat room if any one wants to talk about it in real time.

[Bro. Jim Hinkley]

DVR at the ready!

[psunavy03]

I plan to be glued to the tv for this episode. I will log in to the TSS chat room if any one wants to talk about it in real time.
Let's set up a chat for afterward. My TV is my monitor, so I can't watch and chat simultaneously.

This will not help my memorization for the SR reunion Saturday . . . :run:

[Bro. John Cummings]

Noooo!!!! Matt Lauer!!!! Seriously?!? I'll have my bottle of scotch at the ready, to help numb me from the pain. Needless to say I am not a Matt Lauer/ Today show fan.

I hope this does not have (which Im sure it will) that biased Matt Lauer retardness...

[Frater Cliff Porter]

If you watch it John you will end up as voting for socialist programs....be careful...:-)

They are not going to let Rush Limbaugh or Mike Savage do the interview .....

[Bro. Paul Hulseapple]

I plan to be glued to the tv for this episode. I will log in to the TSS chat room if any one wants to talk about it in real time.

That would be real cool.

[Bro. James Kinslow]

OKAY,

Has anyone else attached themselves to the show so when it airs you can sit next to your buddies or wife and nonchalantly say "yeah me and brother Herd were talking about this last week." I have. Oh yeah, confession time baby, I've got my family thinking I'm mysterious and connected because I know those guys and we talk every week. ;)

Oh don't act like you haven't played it up. . . . . anyone else got an ego issue and used this situation to there personal advantage? :byebye: LOL. I'm the poor guy that has never actually sat in lodge with you guys but will be referring to you by first name, as if we eat dinner together every Tuesday to discuss top secret business. . . D**m I'm pathetic. Oh well, it still gonna be fun.

[WB Robert Herd]

LOL I will claim each and every one of you as my absolute best friend....Bro James, you're moving to the top of the list :P

I'm trying to stay grounded on this 'cause you know what guys, like they told us, they might use all, some or NONE of our interviews... but hey, ya I have my fingers crossed that we get a bit of our message out....

I'd also like to say how wonderful it is to actually have support too Bro James...there are a LOT of Brothers out there who immediately put us on their $hit list because of doing this....There will be a wonderful amount of hand shakes/pats on the back...and unfortunately also a lot of negative responses to our conducting this filming/interview as I have already been seeing...

[psunavy03]

I'd also like to say how wonderful it is to actually have support too Bro James...there are a LOT of Brothers out there who immediately put us on their $hit list because of doing this....There will be a wonderful amount of hand shakes/pats on the back...and unfortunately also a lot of negative responses to our conducting this filming/interview as I have already been seeing...
I've been saying it since I joined here . . . if we as regular Masons don't define Masonry in the public eye, then it will be defined for us by the public and the media. And they'll start asking why we're racists because of the Prince Hall situation, and why we're sexists because Co-Masons are clandestine when they're such nice people, etc. etc. etc.

We need to stand up and give an account of who we are and what we believe. You guys had the balls to go on national TV for the Craft, and trust that the editors would give you a fair shake. Anyone who puts you on their you-know-what list for that is auditioning for a spot on mine.

[ReeD]

I just hope I get off of work in time to get over to Tim's to see him on TV.

[Bro. Greg Starr]

I am hoping this will open many fruitful discussions. I would be interested to know why some Brothers have condemned what Bro. Cliff, Tim, Rob, and Shawn have done - with the Grand Master present - which I as a massive boon to the Craft. It would be interesting to see if these same nay-sayers are of the "we aren't secret, no mysteries here" crowd...seems inconsistent behavior if they are.

Douglas Lodge had a Grand Master's visit last evening. The GM was kind enough to have an "open" session (versus a tyled one) where Brothers, spouses, and prospective members could attend, so I don't see a problem with posting some of the MW Brother's comments here.

He talked about the show, gave kudos to Bros. Tim, Cliff, Rob, and Shawn as being Brothers well versed in the history of the Craft (no names mentioned though). He also said he was concerned about how the work could be edited, even though the producers have since spoken with him and said it will be a very positive show.

He also charged the Brothers present with getting up to speed on Freemasonry, saying that things are changing (he used the word "changing") and we may well expect a wave of interest and candidates - and they may well be better informed about Freemasonry than many current Brothers were when they petitioned. He said the reason the producers called him in the first place was, every time they approached a body to ask questions related to Brown's book, they got referred to Colorado. While not specifying any one path with regard to Masonic Education, the GM did leave the door open for further efforts along this line.

I think the GM's speech shows both support for the efforts taken by our Brothers and is a sound endorsement of their goals. :D

[Bro. Joseph Evans]

looking out for this tonight. yay. : )

[Bro. Todd Melcher]

Let's set up a chat for afterward. My TV is my monitor, so I can't watch and chat simultaneously.

This will not help my memorization for the SR reunion Saturday . . . :run:

Not a problem Brother, I will stay on for quite a while afterwards. As long as there is someone that wants to chat.

[Bro. Greg Starr]

Chat sounds good...being so reserved, this would be a good opportunity to learn to express myself more....:eek:

:rolf:

[WB Timothy W. Hogan]

Well, I leave for Mexico tomorrow for about a week, so if they show me being interviewed tonight and it goes sour- then nobody will be able to find me to offer me the left foot of fellowship!!! :eek:

[WB Timothy W. Hogan]

Here is a longer preview of what is to come tonight:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/33329913#33329913

Sounds like they will be talking some alchemy! ;)

[Bro. Errol Austin Pena]

I am thankful for the brothers that were choosen to do this. I will be recording this tonight and have already Informed the Brethern of whom I know here in Tx about it. Again thank you brothers

[Bro. Ben Williams]

Super awesome! I'm glad I stumbled on this thread this afternoon! I'm off to my girlfriend's house to watch this! Congrats, Enlightenment Brothers, they couldn't have chosen a better bunch. I'm really looking forward to seeing this.

[Bro. James Kinslow]

Just a heads up, if any of you guys quoted me without citation, I'm sueing, no questions asked.

(lets listen in on what James is thinking to himself right now. . .)

I can't sue those guys because:
A. There's no way in the bad place they would quote me
B. They would clean my clock in court
c. I can't afford a lawyer and. . .
d. ok, I could care less as long as the Fraternity benefits

Yeah, I can't wait until one of you brothers says something brilliant and I excitedly with a slight studder say, "I said that, he stole my line." hehe
Then the wife would, without emotion say, really, um hum. (she ain't buying it) lol.

[Bro. Errol Austin Pena]

I dont see it on the tv guide! I got time warner! Anyone have an idea!?????

[Bro. Errol Austin Pena]

i dont know about you guys but right now on msnbc i got a guy blabing on about health care reform

[Bro. Thomas T.]

d. ok, I could care less as long as the Fraternity benefits


If point D happens, it could never be a quote from you! :cz:


Thomas

[Bro. Errol Austin Pena]

ok now im poffed i cant find it! am I on the right day or what?

[Bro. Errol Austin Pena]

sorry for freaking out lol. Our channels here are a little different

[Bro. Jim Hinkley]

Just saw you guys....great job! (Sorry for all of you not in the EDT zone!)

[Bro. James Kinslow]

Kuddos men. . .great job and the editors did us a fair shake this go around!

[Bro. Greg Starr]

Currently running in Colorado...looks good so far!

[Bro. Errol Austin Pena]

Brothers that was amazing! Thanks for standing up for what you believe in. I will back up what all the brothers from TSS said 100%. I like the bit on mind effecting matter. The picture of the water crystals was from Dr Masaru Emoto. Very powerful stuff! I think I mentioned that on here somewhere in TSS. There is only one thing I am greatly dissapointed with. That is the opposition to what we believe and practicly know to be true regarding the secrets of freemasonry. I was hit with negative comments from brothers here in TX immediatly regarding those who were in the film from Colorado. First response, "Their not recognized by the GL of TX." Second response, "their not high up enough they dont know." I don't know what do about the opposition here in Texas. Its quite frustrating. One thing that is interesting is that Arturo is a member of the YR bodies here in C.C. as well as the valley I belong to and is a friend of a friend of mine. I was supprised to hear his take on it as well.

[psunavy03]

Great . . . so now a duly constituted lodge of the GL of CO is being accused of being clandestine?

Riiiiiggggghhhhtt . . . :rolleyes:

I did mention in Chat that I thought that a bunch of Brethren would be practicing defecative Masonry when they saw the bit about the CoR and alchemy . . .

[Bro. JC Walker]

"They're acquaintances, mom. Yes, we're Brothers."
"No mom, I've only met one of them. No, only once."
"No mom, Tim doesn't have a meth lab. It's alchemy."
"If you say so mom. Yes, I'll tell Cliff..."

Okay, so I haven't talked to her yet, but I know she watched, and I know my mom.

[Bro. Errol Austin Pena]

Great . . . so now a duly constituted lodge of the GL of CO is being accused of being clandestine?

Riiiiiggggghhhhtt . . . :rolleyes:

I did mention in Chat that I thought that a bunch of Brethren would be practicing defecative Masonry when they saw the bit about the CoR and alchemy . . .


Trust me brother im very upset right now. I apologize for the behavior and closed mindedness of some here. It hurts me more than I can even explain. It is so painful to see that I cant exploit the reasons and my true passions in masonry in my own state of which I have always been so proud to live in.

[Bro. Joseph Evans]

I thought the whole program was just awesome.

You guys are a handsome bunch haha

Great job, companions.

[jimcase]

Well, I liked it. It was a program on the book so I guess I can't expect that Cliff or Tim would be allowed to explain themselves fully. Would have been pretty cool if they had.

All in all, great for the fraternity. Print more petitions!

Jim

[Bro. Ben Williams]

I think Brother Cliff gets the gold for his line re. the fact that the Craft has no secrets, and everything can be found out on Google:

"...nothing [pause] could be further from the truth..." :D :D

Good to see Bro. Cliff, Bro. Tim and Bro. Rob on the TV. This is the second time I've seen Brother Cliff on the tube, btw. I caught him on some show called... The Interrogators... before.

Good stuff. Dan Brown was in good company. :)

[Bro. Errol Austin Pena]

again kudos, that was great!

[Dean Kennedy]

I really loved the shot of Tim's meth lab... impressive! LOL Sorry I couldn't resist.
You guys did great. I can hear others saying already though, "They don't do THAT in our lodge". Keep up the great work.

Overall the interview with Dan Brown was stellar. I'll be happy if we get just one true well meaning petition from someone watching the show... Just one... And I mean true as in of the same spirit that those here carry for the craft.

[Bro. Greg Starr]

I think Brother Cliff gets the gold for his line re. the fact that the Craft has no secrets, and everything can be found out on Google:

"...nothing [pause] could be further from the truth..." :D :D

Good to see Bro. Cliff, Bro. Tim and Bro. Rob on the TV. This is the second time I've seen Brother Cliff on the tube, btw. I caught him on some show called... The Interrogators... before.

Good stuff. Dan Brown was in good company. :)

I agree...CLiff's spot carried more conviction than any of the others...Cliff, Tim, Shawn, Rob - amazing, amazing job!!!!!!
:notworthy::notworthy::notworthy:

[Bro. John Cummings]

I think Brother Cliff gets the gold for his line re. the fact that the Craft has no secrets, and everything can be found out on Google:

"...nothing [pause] could be further from the truth..." :D :D

Good to see Bro. Cliff, Bro. Tim and Bro. Rob on the TV.

I was shocked to see Bro. Shawn Beyer, no one (at least what I have read, said he was going to be interviewed) It was a big suprise for me and he gets my gold star. He could not have described the experiance better, without giving away anything. Bro. Shawn I must say is one of the best men I have ever met.

[Dean Kennedy]

For those who are following up after the show... check out this extra interview piece they added on the dateline website afterward. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/33350056#32850358

[WB Robert Herd]

dude...did you read the title of this post? :P
I agree....I think Shawn wins the gold star!


I was shocked to see Bro. Shawn Beyer, no one (at least what I have read, said he was going to be interviewed) It was a big suprise for me and he gets my gold star. He could not have described the experiance better, without giving away anything. Bro. Shawn I must say is one of the best men I have ever met.

[Bro. Greg Starr]

dude...did you read the title of this post? :P
I agree....I think Shawn wins the gold star!

Bro. Shawn did a great job! All the Bros were very impressive.

And now we wait.....

[Bro. Brian Westmoreland]

What a great sigh of relief. You guys did a great job. I wish you all could have picked the topics and had your hand at determining the overall content, but even still it was favorable and positive. I hope good men are influenced to seek us out, and I hope that they and we recognize the value of our secrets and mysteries. May those good men find no bake sales.

[Bro. John Cummings]

dude...did you read the title of this post? :P


Guess not. :arrow:

[ReeD]

I really loved the shot of Tim's meth lab... impressive! LOL Sorry I couldn't resist.

Bad, Dean don't you think about positive things? ;)

[KNO]

I looked for the DATELINE episode, but couldn't find it, even on Hulu. Saw some of the web-only articles on the NBC site, but not the full episode.:confused: Guess I'll go back to watching the OUTER LIMITS collection until it surfaces.
S&F

[Bro. Russ DuRant]

I spent half of Friday night calling up all my lodge buddies talking about......HOLY S*** I know who all these guys are!!!

[Bro. Lucas J]

I looked for the DATELINE episode, but couldn't find it, even on Hulu. Saw some of the web-only articles on the NBC site, but not the full episode.:confused: Guess I'll go back to watching the OUTER LIMITS collection until it surfaces.
S&F
I've looked too..I was out of town friday and was not near a tv I could control...if you/anyone finds it please let us know!

[Bro. JC Walker]

It should be available on this list (http://www.tvguide.com/detail/tv-show.aspx?tvobjectid=100110&more=ucepisodelist&episodeid=12736447) soon...

[John Dodge Miles]

Here's the transcript for those who missed:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33280724/ns/dateline_nbc-newsmakers//

[Bro. Nathan M. Glover]

It should be available on this list (http://www.tvguide.com/detail/tv-show.aspx?tvobjectid=100110&more=ucepisodelist&episodeid=12736447) soon...

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock................

I can't stand it anymore...I'll buy it if someone has it recorded.

[Bro. Greg Starr]

The full clip is not on the net yet...not sure what takes them so long.

[WB Robert Herd]

Fellas...I heard thru a source yesterday that it will NOT be shown on the net....part of a predetermined agreement. All that will ever be available will be the transcript unless someone puts it out there from a personal copy... and which would result in NBC coming quickly after you for copyright infringement.

[Bro. Todd Melcher]

Fellas...I heard thru a source yesterday that it will NOT be shown on the net....part of a predetermined agreement. All that will ever be available will be the transcript unless someone puts it out there from a personal copy... and which would result in NBC coming quickly after you for copyright infringement.
I DVRed it so I guess everyone will have to come ovre to my house and watch it. Who's going to bring the Beer and chips?:bd::D

[Victor Von Hazelton]

Fellas...I heard thru a source yesterday that it will NOT be shown on the net....part of a predetermined agreement. All that will ever be available will be the transcript unless someone puts it out there from a personal copy... and which would result in NBC coming quickly after you for copyright infringement.
Boourns! I really want to see this! I only overheard part of this interview from another room because i had just started working on a website for our lodge & was really anxious to produce an initial draft to show the Brothers. But from what i heard & read in the transcript, it was all about Dan Brown & there wasn't nearly enough discussion with our learned Brothers.

Sorry - but i have never read a Dan Brown novel & probably never will - just beacause i am not a fiction fan. I spent 5 years before becoming a Freemason reading every book i could get my hands on that gave historical accounts of the fraternity.

Since this book came out & since the interview aired - i have had co-workers & friends who know I am a Mason approach me for info on the fraternity. I am sure we'll see a spike in petitions as a direct result of this book - but my fear is these new members will be seeking the sensationalized version of Freemasonry they have read about in fiction novels & result in great dissappointment.

[Bro. Lucas J]

Fellas...I heard thru a source yesterday that it will NOT be shown on the net....part of a predetermined agreement. All that will ever be available will be the transcript unless someone puts it out there from a personal copy... and which would result in NBC coming quickly after you for copyright infringement.
:confused::o:o NO!!! Goodness, looks like I am taking road trip to whoever has it DVR'ed!

[Bro. Paul Hulseapple]

:confused::o:o NO!!! Goodness, looks like I am taking road trip to whoever has it DVR'ed!
I have it. Bring the beverages and I'll have the food.

[Bro. Bill Arnold]

Bro. Paul,

The drive from LI is a long one....but since I missed it and forgot to DVR it...looks like your hosting...

S & F,

[Bro. Nate Fall]

Alright....I finally got an evening out of the duck blind to watch this show, which I TIVO'd...

First off...Tim, Bob, and Cliff ROCK!@ :D.... You guys were the coolest cats there..

Brown, was pretty evasive and, while flattering, still full of s*&^...

And can somebody tell me what was up with that weird piece of mock ritual? A JD with a top hat? The SD dressed as the reaper? WTH???

All in all, I liked it....;)

[Frater Cliff Porter]

Well it might seem strange, but Enlightenment lodges expert wears the robe as he attends to the chamber of reflection, so that once he interacts with the candidate after the hoodwinked is removed, he doesn't see us dressed for lodge.

The tux is our lodge uniform. A brother in a tux receives the candidate at his home, brings him to lodge and hands him off to the Expert.

The robe is a concealing of the uniform and a proper dress from someone attending a chamber in which the man will suffer his profane self to die.

[Bro. Nate Fall]

Been to lodge in 6 states and 5 countries and have never seen that practiced... But...it was kinda cool to see...Does anybody have any literature on old chamber of reflection traditions? I would love to read up on that and propose the practice for my lodge...

[John Dodge Miles]

And can somebody tell me what was up with that weird piece of mock ritual? A JD with a top hat? The SD dressed as the reaper? WTH???

The Brother with the hat was WB Rob Herd, and the "reaper" was Brother Terrible, I think.

[WB Robert Herd]

Bro. Nate, I'll PM you the paper I gave as education to our AASR body.

[Frater Cliff Porter]

Brother Terrible is a person, much like a Deacon in a way that you see in Red Lodge degrees and I will admit that the study of such traditions entered into considerations for the practice.

There is also a history of such practices within other orders closely associated to Masonry such as those who know the mantle.

The idea, again, is that the neophyte is not able to see the lodge brothers "dressed as Masons" until such a time as he receives light. So the man he is first confronted with after answering questions in the chamber is the Expert, more importantly if he leaves the chamber and decides not to progress he never sees the men of the lodge, who they are, what they are dressed like, etc....

[Bro. JC Fowler]

bro Rob i would also like you to pm me with the paper if you dont mind

[WB Timothy W. Hogan]

Here is a new YouTube link which shows the portion of the Dateline NBC Dan Brown special that has brothers from here at TSS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzNXGqAYHIs

[WB Dan Ellnor]

Caught it... very nice and appropriate

[Bro. Jason Lloyd]

Here is a new YouTube link which shows the portion of the Dateline NBC Dan Brown special that has brothers from here at TSS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzNXGqAYHIs


You beat me to it Bro. Hogan.

After seeing this thread, I watched the Dateline episode again on Youtube last night.

[WB Robert Herd]

haha...I'm destined to walk thru that door in my tux/top hat for all eternity now....immortalized on Youtube.

[Bro. A.T.Smith]

Wow, looking sharp guys!

So Cliff, is Art D. your arch rival now? :)

[Bro. David G. Cassidy]

For any brothers looking for the episode Online, here it is:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/33485850#33485850

The episode is cut into several segments, all listed at the left of the screen